I want to be clear that I can and that it is a good file.

“What I can’t promise you is that charging it gets you anything that this” — and she put her hand on the licence applications — “doesn’t already get you in a civil courtroom and in front of whatever federal people are looking at that company.

“And I want you both to know the cost, because nobody tells victims the cost.

If I charge it, both of you are witnesses.

Everything either of you has said to a lawyer, to a therapist, to each other, becomes potentially discoverable.

Your deposition” — to Giselle — “becomes a public record with your business’s name on it.