And I said, “Yes.”

He let that sit for about four seconds.

Then he said, “So the statement was not necessary to obtain the ramp.

It was necessary to obtain the ramp without anybody asking who it was for.”

And I said, “Yes, sir.”

That is the one, if you want to know.

People assume the deposition turned on Cleveland and it did not, particularly.

Cleveland was ninety minutes of detail about an incident report that already existed and that I confirmed and that I had no way of and no interest in disputing.