“And Curtis came in and asked what I was doing and I closed it, and he sat down and said ‘are you leaving me,’ and I said no.

“And Alma, it wasn’t even a big conversation.

It took about four minutes.

He didn’t threaten me and he didn’t cry.

He just asked, and I said no, because that was the easier four minutes.”

The permanency hearing in the November of 2023 changed the goal.

That is the language: the permanency goal.

It had been return home within twelve months, which is the default and which the court prefers and which is what every part of that system is built to achieve.